TA106 (Müller)

Response 20 (to C48, Patlavskiy)

by Herbert FJ Müller
15 September 2009, posted 26 September 2009


I have some difficulty understanding your point of view, especially since you have stated that you think metaphysics and ontology are not needed.   Therefore I would appreciate clarification of what you propose.   You write :

[SP] <8>  I have never stated that "the noumena are in the mind”   "The meta-theory, I elaborate, presumes that there are two realities: Noumenal Reality and Phenomenal Reality (but not only one reality, as constructivism holds). The first one is cognitively independent (or, mind-independent) and, thereby, existent objectively. The second one is given in perception to the subject of cognitive activity, and, thereby, is subjective. The task of Science is to make Phenomenal Reality as closely approaching Noumenal Reality as possible."

<11> When the
system{noumenon} collapses (say, during the process of cognition), then the noumenon transforms into phenomenon.   In other words, the phenomenon -- it is a partial knowledge (or, limited information) about the noumenon.   Moreover, when I formalize Noumenal Reality as the IIS{Noumenal Reality}, I presume that it must obey the universal law of IIS-development. In other words, whatever Noumenal Reality might be, the IIS{Noumenal Reality} must obey the same natural law as the IIS{atom}, the IIS{living cell), the IIS{human}, etc.

These statements clearly promote the mind-independent reality idea of  traditional metaphysics and ontology, which I think is impossible.   In particular, ‘whatever
Noumenal Reality might be’ is a speculation inside your mind about an impossible mind-independent metaphysical reality.    

For this reason I would still like to ask you to respond to my earlier question : 

if reality is in fact mind-independent, how can anyone think and write about it ?   Either you know or speculate about it, and then it is in your mind and not mind-independent;  or it is not in your mind, and you don't know about it, and then you cannot think about it’.    


Herbert FJ Müller
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